<<<Proof for ahtheists>>>>?
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The Scientific Proof
Let us imagine ourselves standing in a laboratory stocked with beakers and test tubes containing all sorts of chemical compounds. Then suppose an earthquake has just occurred upsetting the shelved vessels, sending their contents spilling onto the laboratory floor. It would be a very strange coincidence indeed to find new life forms generating themselves where none had existed before.
You might say, 'Your analogy didn't account for time - these organisms need time to evolve.' We ask, 'How much time should we have allowed? Was there enough time since the beginning of the universe to allow for their self-induced formation?'
Let's hear from Swiss mathematician Charles Eugene Jai.
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Wow. Way to long to read.
tosmith
Aakif- this is a great analogy. God did create the world. Then he sent Jesus to save it. I'm not going to shove my beliefs down your thoat, but if you want to talk, e-mail me.
The universe is most likely infinite. His mathematics are completely nullified if this is the case.
And also, the majority of scientists would disagree with him, anyway. And I place my trust in their consensus, not one guy with an agenda...
God is the only Being that is Eternal
None is More GLORIOUS than ALLAH!
Religion never requires proof. There fore proof is useless. People just have to stick with what ever that work best for themselves. I think even science is a sort of a religion with basic tenets.
You still haven't convinced me! How about other scientists? What do they say?
If there were a God, why would he have created such a big universe? For human beings to have fun while trying to figure out how to get to the end of it, instead of finding solutions for the numerous issues which plague the earth?
you have given supposition and theory not proof, but nice try any ways.
What about dinosaurs?
Is carbon dating a lie?
Your religious propaganda is laughable. You can keep hold of Allah and god, no-one else is interested in joining your cult.
NO ONE CAN ARGUE WITH THE SCIENCE POINT OF VIEW,BUT SOMETHING
GREATER CREATED ALL AT THE START.I STOPPED BELIEVING FOR A
LONG TIME.THEN HONESTLY SOMETHING HAPPENED I CANT EXPLAIN
EXCEPT IT WAS A DEEPLY RELIGEOUS THING.I WAS A HEROIN ADDICT
AND I HAVENT TOOK IT SINCE.ALSO I WAS IN A HOSTEL JUST OUT
OF PRISON,
Reality is blurred by the brain which conjures notions, theories and relegions. One can debate and contend that his own notions are the ultimate until death when he faces and understands reality. So why bother with all these contentions. Relax take life in its stride when time comes you will know the truth.
Nags
This mathematician is a moron, and it is likely you have no concept of evolution yourself. What you need to do is study fractal geometry in order to understand the mathematics of iterative generation, and biology to understand how matter evolves from other matter.
1) You need organic compounds - carbon, oxygen, ammonia, and eventually proteins, phospholipids for membranes.
2) You don't need that much time to form "life" from organic compounds, but you do need billions of years of iterative failure and regeration to produce anything of interest to the naked eye.
3) Maybe you should go back to school... stop sucking the nipples of ancient superstition and grasping at the apologetics of religious retards, and start reading all the work scientists have done on this. You might learn something.
don't worry about atheist they won't listen to you. remember Pharaoh and Moses pbuh.
It is rather fascinating! But it does not "move" me to accept "god" into my life. Thanks for sharing, though! :-)
great proof!!
so, let me summit it. Ur saying that if there is no proof (yet) for evolutionism, then there must be a God who created it?
that's real proof for an existing God, lol.
that's the same as me saying:
- there is no proof for a God, so it must be that evolutionism is true.
- there is no proof for evolutionism, therefor Santa created it all.
i could even say (following your theory): there is no proof for the Big Bang, therefor the Big Bang is true.
in other words, and we always can conclude only this: nobody knows for sure. The truth is that we can't even see how big the universe is, that's why we have no idea on how it is created. We can't see the outside of the universe, that's why we don't know how it's created.
let's face it, we humans are too small in this universe to understand a big thing as how the universe was created or built or made or whatever.
Oh Nick, you've already shoved your stupid point of view down his throat.
As for the example, this is the reaction in a test tube. Didi he calculate the volume of primal ooze that could potentially exist in the entire universe, and then formulate the total number of concurrent reactions occuring per second in the entire universe?
This would significantly reduce the time, and not only that, is a figure impossible to reach.
It's a scientifically empty argument.
But glad to see you're using your noggin looking for facts. Way better than just repeatedly repeating your point of view.
Cheers.
Let the atheist answer please.
what about if god CREATED the path of EVOLUTION. you have very great points but we too often compare god's thought process to our own.
Salaam aleyku.
I believe it is arrogant and impious for people to limit the manner in which God might work, which is what people do when they insist that EITHER evolution is valid OR it was all created by God in some way we have already imagined. Given the probabilities and statistics you have recited, and given that there is an enormous amount of evidence that supports evolutionary theory, wouldn't an acceptance of evolution also be an acceptance of miracles? To me, it seems that starting from amino acids and lightning (a common evolution idea), moving through millions of years of transformation, to arrive in the world we occupy today is a confirmation of miracles, not a denial of them.
With all respect, your recited statistics do not prove anything, strictly speaking. They attempt to illustrate the unlikeliness of events that are nevertheless supported by the overwhelming mass of evidence. It is interesting but not determinative.
Im Agnostic not an athiest theres a BIG difference lol...I believe in the possibility of a higher power however I dont believe in GOD(or Allah if you will)...Call me crazy but I personally believe that whatever this higher power is its WAY BEYOND our comprehension to understand...That is why I dont believe in any human term for this higher power because we are limited in our understanding of the universe...Chances are theres a million planets out there with life and to assume out of all the stars in the universe we are somehow unique is just egotistical and self gratifying...Christians and Muslims at the heart of it all agree on most things because both religions were created by man...GOD..A Prophet..Holy men..Prayer the similarities are countless because there both centered on humans...My so called "Higher Power" and your Allah could very well be the same thing you know?..We just take different paths in our journey for the ULTIMATE truth...And what would be the fun if we knew everything about the higher power GOD Allah? We all love a good mystery and the ULTIMATE truth is the biggest mystery of them all.Thankyou for reading
I think it's funny when creationists use "probability" as evidence against evolution, when the statistical liklihood that an all powerful being magically creating the world is so remote it makes evolution look like a slam dunk no-brainer by comparison.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA hilarious, seriously. You are abusing the word "proof" there.
Basically he makes some mistakes that's how he arrived at those numbers.
Read up on it at the site below on the theory of Abiogenesis.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob...
The atheist view of this 'proof' is: It's not a proof at all, it's a strawman.
A much more informative experiment would be as follows: Take an entire rocky planet, orbiting at 93 million miles from a medium-sized star, leave for 4.5 billion years and observe the result. But wait... you don't have to, it's already been done! ;-)
The results are all around you.
You can write pages of this crap if you want to, but there is a fundamental problem in your logic.
If I told you that today I had met a fairy who had granted me the ability to fly, you would no doubt question me and be skeptical. I would promise you it was true but refuse to show you any proof. Eventually you would think I was full of lies and that I was some kind of idiot.
This is basically how religion works. A group of people state that they 'know' that their specific religious belief is the only valid and correct one, and then they attack others who believe differently.
Then there are others that claim that in the absence of a specific scientific proof, magic is the only other legitimate explanation. Cavemen used to think that thunder was made by a god, because they didn't understand thunder. So they made up a story of an angry god banging a drum.
It is human arrogance and ignorance that assumes that if we don't have ALL the scientific answers, it must be a magic. There is not a person alive who KNOWS how the universe was formed. This does not mean that the magic hand of a god made it happen, and our ignorance of a specific scientific 'fact' does not make the magic theory any more credible or believable.
Please remove your question. What a bunch of crap is that!
No matter how much "proof" you give us. We still will not believe in your god. Lol
So take this BS somewhere else.
PS.Learn how to spell "Atheists"!
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