If the liberals force universal health care on us?
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Who knows really , its just a thought right now. Something like that needs serious planning, but its a lot better than the way it is right now.
I have to wait longer now so it will possibly reduce mine. I have employer paid insurance.
Just buying votes.
45 million Americans are without health care. We spend 12% of GDP on healthcare, more than any other nation. Bad health care COSTS money that we ALL pay for. Read up and learn!
I bet you wouldn't say that if you didn't have health insurance.
I don't know how it will work in the US, but every civilized country has some form of universal health care. Are any of their citizens clamoring for an American-style health care system?
The point is, do people think it is a bad idea because of what it really is or what you imagine it might be. And of course, Noah H made the most important point - the health care PAYMENT system is the big problem for most people.
Now I am on my third Budweiser. Don't you usually write more? I mean I always have to read and read ..and this time it is soooooooooo short? Why is that? Is that a trick to get my neocon attention?
Look at any country that has universal healthcare whethere it's Canada, the UK, Sweden, or who ever and you'll find that the tax rates that have been implemented steadily increase year by year. The program is a farce and it will never work. Exceedingly long waiting lines, 65% tax rates, poor quality of doctors, all of these are the symptoms of a universal health care plan.
Are you aware the the poorest man in England lives longer than the richest man in America?
This result, among many from studies of world health, demonstrate that our current system is the huge ripoff, the worthless program.
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/ful...
Apparently, you are unaware of the huge waits in our emergency rooms now. Canada and the European democracies voted for their programs; they are a free people and free to get rid of it any time they want. They don't.
Here's a table on canadian satisfaction with their health care:
http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/82...
Healthy ;o majorities of Americans want universal health care. So, if we get it, it's called DEMOCRACY...(and about damned time.)
If the liberals force universal health care on us, then we can say good-bye to the quality of care we receive now. Hello long waits for appts., ER care, treatment and surgery.
Ever wonder why so many of our best physicians are conservatives?
Pandering and vote buying.
Besides I suspect they don't really expect it to happen, after all they are rich they would be the ones suffering if they taxed them self's. So I am certain it is just pandering to the poor for support. Other wise they have no political power at all.
Universal health care will guarantee that we have no specialists left in the future. Why? When you make the same money as a general practitioner, where is that incentive? Lines will be long, special procedures won't exist any more, and we'll be trampled through those 'free clinics' with cattle prods because of the lines!
I have yet to see ONE liberal person respond to a key question that I've asked on a few occasions. That is:
If Michael Moore thinks that Cuba has such a wonderful health care system, why does Castro go to Spain for his surgeries and why is his personal physician from Spain and not Cuban?
Don't underestimate the socialists in my party (democrat).
They have a very specific agenda. They want America gone or turned socialist.
Check yourself. Make a list of what they want. Look at their arguments.
Do they represent you? Is this what you want for America?
Freebees sound great, but sane people know there is always a cost, and robbing the rich to give to the poor only works if the rich can't move. When the rich move, so do the jobs, so does the standard of living, just like in all socialist countries.
The Socialists in my party have revealed themselves at last, fully. There's no doubt about what they want. Former First Lady and Senator Clinton has revealed her political and social goals quite eloquently, and the rest of the Democratic contenders haven't said a word against it.
Their silence speaks clearly.
I am not silent.
Their views do not represent me.
Name one government program that has been more successful than the free market. There are VERY few outside of maybe the space program and the military. Some issues are best left up to the private sector and some are left up to the public.
I choose private for healthcare. If you want public go to a socialist country.
6 hours - where do get this stuff?
Maybe on a really bad day and maybe for an ankle sprain but anything life threatening gets taken care of immediately.
Why must you right-wing-nuts lie so much?
Canada has awesome universal health care. Everyone is treated with no charge including the rich or the homeless. Six hour wait is not the norm, but if you have to wait ab it for good treatment and pay nothing, whats the problem. Canada's universal health care is the envy of many many countries, you seem not to understand how it works and have bought into the fear.
Then kids won't die of asthma..
Have you ever been to an emergency room? the wait is always 6 hours. If we had universal health care the wait will get shorter because peopel will visit their doctors for things they goto the emergency room now.
Why do conservatives hate kids so much? Is it because they've been born?
Not only liberals support some kind of Health Care Reform- and it can't be forced on us.
This is going to take years to sort out- but look at our ranking in the world for health care- Huge expenditures, and we are at like 17th in the free world as far as Quality and accessability.
Hey, the Republicans are pushing this too- but don't lose any sleep- just like immigration reform- isn't gonna happen!
Just political sound bites- and the same old same old.
Most politicians are like prostitutes- except they take your money and you don't get anything for it!
Like the tax argument (rich Vs. poor), the universal healthcare argument is solely a means of getting votes. I was stationed in the U.K. which has socialized medicine and had the opportunity to see its effects first hand. I also know many Brits and heard many local news reports of people that needed surgery for one thing or another, but had to wait many months (even years) to get it done. We have enough mandatory spending programs in the government. Socialized medicine will not only decrease the quality of the current system, but increase the lines, increase the costs (to government), etc. Since when did any government program have greater efficiency than that of a private system?
Right now, your employer forces a health care program on you. How just is that? Does your employer choose your cable provider and the school your children go to? Why should they choose your medical provider, and why should they have to pay for it? Conservatives should want health care separated from the liabilites an employer takes on. And it's clear that free enterprise has driven the cost of health care out of reach for approximately 40 million of your fellow citizens. What's so bad about covering everyone in an affordable way?
You are, of course, confusing 2 different things to mislead people. Universal Health insurance-good. Nationalizing the medical industry-bad. Some countries socialize medicine, meaning govt. as employer and govt. as owner/seller of medicines. Another bad idea.
Bush opposes Americans buying cheaper Canadian drugs. Bush, therefore, opposes free and open trade, as well as market competition. Socialist pig!!
Actually, I'd love to see the Republicans come up with a solution to this crisis, yes, crisis. We are a family of 4 and pay $1200 per month for health insurance. We can afford it, millions can't. Take a look at the Health category some time and see what's going on with people with no insurance. It's heartbreaking. I saw a post last night from a girl with a broken leg, no insurance, and couldn't afford $200 for a cast and asked what could happen to her leg. It's very sad. Something has to be done.
Every Democratic candidate has different ideas on health care, they're not all the same as Canada and I haven't decided whether I agree with any of them yet. I don't vote party, I vote on platform, and my views are moderate. I don't think they're aimed at buying votes, I think they're trying to find a resolution to a critical issue and I hope the Republican candidates address this issue with an alternative proposal so we have a choice.
By the way, a 6 hour wait in an emergency room in South Florida would be a breeze. My son waited for 14 hours to be seen with severe abdominal pain and we have a great insurance plan. You think I was ticked off?
Dude! Nobody has suggested Universal Health CARE! I know that a lot of people who should know better use the term, but nobody has suggested some kind of situation where you have government run clinic, hospitals and doctors serving as paid federal employees. What has been suggested is Universal Health INSURANCE. INSURANCE is a straight up and down deal. You pay in, and you have coverage. It's not FREE! There's always the CO-PAYS,and the various DEDUCTABLES just like any other insurance. The difference is that all Americans will be covered at a far lower cost per individual and there will be no more of this insurance fraud where health insurance companies refuse to insure large blocks of people, cancel insurance or charge far more than wage-earning Americans can afford. So remember..it's HEALTH INSURANCE, not HEALTH CARE!
If your rich you have health care!
If your not you don't!
If you want to deny others because you might have to wait a few minutes longer, thats called being an a**hole
Our Canadian system is not perfect, but when I go to a doctor we never talk about money, I wouldn't change much about it
health care should be for everyone not just the upper class
it's time for the insurance companies to back out of the medical decisions, that is what we go to Dr's for,
if thy paid for preventive care. thy would save money in the long run. and we may even be healthier.
and i don't know about you but the wait is always long er or office. and i do have insurance.
I don't trust the government to run anything like health care. Look at Medicare and Medicaid.
Nuff said.
As a health care provider (anesthesia), I can tell you that the socialist plan of the left will not work here. There are 18 month waits in Canada for a hip replacement. One year wait for open heart surgery. I get so sick of the "people with out health care crap". I give away about 20% of my services to uninsured patients. People need to be aware that ALL significant breakthroughs in health care occur in the USA. Is our health care expensive? Yes. But, we have the best care in the world, and you get what you pay for. Have you ever heard of anyone travelling to a socialist medical care country for health care?
If the we lose the free enterprise medical system, you will no longer have the best and the brightest becoming doctors, and the people will suffer.
You have to understand that the Democrats desire control. The more people that are dependent on the government, the more control they have.
I doubt that universal health care coverage (or "socialized medicine") would be as tragic for the U.S. as its detractors answering this question make out. It's an unfortunate fact of life that any enterprise--health care, the criminal justice system, road building--is a trade-off between what you can afford to do and what would be ideal. None of us has infinite time, money or resource. In Canada, the state rations health care; in the U.S., private insurers ration health care. The difference is that the state is at least theoretically responsible to its citizens, whereas an insurance company is only responsible to its shareholders.
If there are delays in getting a heart transplant in Canada, I suspect that the delays have more to do with the shortage of available donors than anything inherent in universal medical coverage. My own experience in getting a necessary operation has been positive. I had a detached retina--a medical emergency that, if not taken care of, leads to blindness in that eye. My opthalmologist normally has a waiting period of several months. When I mentioned that I thought I had a detached retina, I was given an appointment the next day. Upon confirming that it was, indeed, a detached retina, my opthalmologist had me booked for an operation the day after I saw him. From the time that I thought I had the problem to the time I received an operation to fix it was a period of only two days. I doubt that one could do any better in the U.S. This also happened in the province of Alberta, which had a neoconservative government that was itching to ape America's approach to health care here and that had gone a considerable distance in lowering the quality and capacity of the health care system.
It's where we're headed. People don't know how to take care of themselves anymore, that's the problem. And when one little thing goes wrong they want to sue the doctor for millions of dollars. I don't care if they DID amputate the wrong leg, that doesn't mean you should get to be a millionaire.
You watch, within a month after instituting free health care for everyone, the country will go bankrupt and slide into economic decay worse than the Great Depression. Thank you Hillary!
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