American health care system outperforms the socialized systems in Europe?
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The survivability rates beyond five years of diagnosis in the United States are far in excess of all of these socialized countries with socialized medicine. Here's the point, though, and it takes a while in the story for it to show up. Here's the reference in the story about the American system. "Dr. Nils Wilking, a clinical oncologist at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, said: "Our report highlights that in many countries new drugs are not reaching patients quickly enough and that this is having an adverse impact on patient survival. Where you live can determine whether you receive the best available treatment or not. To some extent this is determined by economic factors, but much of the variation between countries remains unexplained. In the US we have found that the survival of cancer patients is significantly related to the introduction of new oncology drugs.' ... The proportion of colorectal cancer patients with access to the drug Avastin was 10 times higher in the US than it was in Europe, with the UK having a lower uptake than the European average."
United States health care saves more lives than socialized medicine, and yet socialized medicine is one of the building blocks of the Democrat Party's agenda, particularly Mrs. Bill Clinton's agenda. Now, it's the same thing with tax revenue that we were just discussing. If current tax rates are producing record amounts of revenue and rapid economic growth, why would you change it? If the US health care system is the best in the world, despite its flaws -- if it's the best in the world and people who come down with deadly diseases survive much longer here because of access to drugs much sooner and much cheaper than people who live in socialized countries have access to it -- why in the world would you change it? Well, there's a simple answer. Socialists want control. They want as much control over us as they can get. It's about power. It's about enlarging the State. It's about making you dependent, and that eliminates your threatening their power. The less wealth you have, the less mobility, freedom, the less of a threat you are to their power. This is liberalism through and through.
Now you might ask: "How come so many average Americans are liberals and they're willing to give up this power?" Because they're dupes. I'm talking about the leaders. I'm talking about the people in Washington. I'm talking about the think tank leaders. I'm talking about the special interest groups. Liberals in this country, these doofuses that write the hateful comments on Internet blogs, they're just unhappy people in general. They want everybody else to be miserable with them anyway. They're probably jealous of people who do better than them and they want those people taken down a peg or two. They want everything the same. Everything the same. No inequality. No inequity. They want outcome of results. They're sickos and they're miserable and they're unhappy and they want everybody to join them in that. But you talk about ideology? Liberals believe this and conservatives believe this. It's really very, very simple. Conservatives believe in individual liberty and freedom and ambition so that people can become the best they can be, because it is believed that the greatest society and the greatest culture, the greatest country, is achieved by the greatest number of people pursuing excellence. Liberals don't have that faith in people and they don't want that kind of freedom. They want to be in charge. They want to have the power and they want people dependent because that is what enriches them in every which way you can imagine.
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Well DUH! Of course our pharmaceutical industry is better, we produce new medicines as quickly as possible because the private drug companies want something to sell.
But the problem is, our system only gives those drugs to people who can afford it.
Exactly. Creating a system that reeks of Socialism never works.
A. I would be shocked if anybody actually read your entire public service announcement.
B. If you want health insurance, buy it like everybody else does.
C. If you have money for Ipods, Itunes, blackberry phones, designer jeans, cigarettes, alcohol, sporting events, and fast food, then why don't you have money for health insurance?
D. Who is EUROPE to try and tell us how to do things? We saved them not once but TWICE from destroying themselves. You'd think they'd learn to keep their mouths shut when it comes to what we do in OUR country..
This is a complete fabrication and if you look into our system you will find over 90,000 people are killed in hospitals each year from easily preventable causes .
We have a terrible mortality rate for new borns the worst of any advanced nation on earth .
So pipe down and get back to work selling insurance policies .
Well said--who said it?
You can't interview the people left out of the "compassionate" socialized medicine schemes... they're dead.
Fact is, health care costs are spiraling out of control, they are 13% of GDP, and, 47 million americans are without health care...we CAN do better. Ignore the draconion socialism and commie rants, which are partisan uninformed overly simplistic partisan rants. We can improve our level of coverage, and, maintain an excellent system of incentives for organizations, without "socializing" medicene.
Yep, the upper class get the very best healthcare in the USA, unsurpassed by anywhere in the world. The rest of us middle class folks might die in the lobby of the emergency room.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19251478?gt1...
"Conservatives believe in individual liberties" You might read up on the Patriot Act...
try providing a link, bucko. But we both know the Karolinska Institute in Sweden did not say American health care system outperforms the socialized systems in Europe, now do we?
BTW, where is the USA ranked among infant mortality among 1st world nations?
What's the use of a great Health Care system, if only the select few, the ultra rich folks can afford it?
When you are on these stinking HMO's or Medicare, or Medicaid you can die, while waiting to be seen in an Emergency Room.
A lady just died while waiting to be seen at Harbor King Drew hospital the other day.
There were people waiting in the Emergency room and they called 911 to get them to come and take this lady to another hospital where she would be seen, and the 911 operator said that it was not an emergency and the callers should not be bothering him.
The triage nurses in the Emergency Room just didn't give a hoot about this poor lady because she was on Medi-Cal.
Now, you see that Lee Baca unlawfully released the drunk driver, Paris Hilton, because he said he believed she was too ill to be in jail.
If you have big bucks you can buy your way around the system, but if you are a common "Joe" just wait your turn, and maybe die while waiting.
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There are benefits and trade-offs between any system. We should focus on the strengths of our system and work to achieve cost reduction through non-pharmacuetical cures and preventative medicine. The profit incentive should be tied to whatever is in the best interest of the patient, but we have to know what our own best interests are because no doctor, company, or congress will really understand you.
Americans also have to remember that you have to treat a doctor like any other spending decision. We need to study and understand the medicines we buy and take, we need to realize the potential consequences of surgeries and exactly what they hope to accomplish. We need to stop and take a look at what we're eating. Every single bio-chemical reaction begins and ends with the food we eat.
We need to realize what life choices lead to bad health, and not reward those choices with free drugs. Aches, pains, and misery should not be treated like "stress" or "depression" when they can be a sign of a real physical problem.
All that propaganda and not one legitimate source to support your claims.
Arer you really THAT scared of affordable health care in the US?
And I dont remember reading anything about THIS kind of thing happening in Helsinki:
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/13492712...
But you have to look at it this way.
Not everyone in America has insurance. Everyone in Sweeden does. I bet you if an American had cancer, and they couldn't afford health insurance, they wouldn't survive.
Second, there isn't a lot of drug manufactures in Europe. Here, it's home. Here, you have companies who test their products on people. They don't have that over there.
So even though it does look better, you have to rememeber; everything that glitters ain't what it seems.
People say our healthcare system should be more like Europe. HAHAHAHA! They must be delusional if they think bigger government and inept doctors hired by bureacracy is going to be any better. This is socialism and not the way to reform healthcare.
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